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    • #8740
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      I have a 1995 Liberty (94 Prevost hull) with just over 100,000 miles, and it’s time for engine service, specifically setting the rack. I’ve heard there’s an access hatch inside the coach that allows for easier removal of the valve cover.

      My coach has a cross queen layout, with cabinets at the back, so I may need to disassemble part of that cabinet. Ideally, I’m hoping I only need to remove the center section of drawers.

      Could anyone share specifics about the exact location of this hatch? If possible, pictures would be great too! It would be fantastic to find out that accessing the engine from the top isn’t necessary, although several experts have suggested that it is.

      I want to ensure my mechanic has full access to the engine, as he’s highly qualified and meticulous. I’ll be there to assist as needed.

      I’m still waiting for my coach to return from Parliament after its retrofit, but I plan to tackle this project in the winter.

      Thanks for any insights!

      #8742
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      Jim,

      Did the Detroit mechanic mention that you need to access the engine through the hatch? In our setup, the hatch primarily provides access to the air compressor, generator, and the hoses above the transmission. It’s worth confirming that before you start taking apart the interior.

      Let me know what you find out!

      #8743
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      Jim,

      To access your engine, I believe Liberty designed the center drawer sections to be disassembled and removed, which allows for access to the engine cover.

      This topic came up during a Liberty rally, and it was noted that Liberty has a partnership with the local Detroit Diesel folks. They take everything apart, the DD techs come to Liberty to do the work, and then Liberty reassembles everything. It was mentioned that this process can take several hours for disassembly and an equal amount of time for reassembly.

      I have a couple of thoughts:

      1. If your engine is running well, do you really need to go through all this hassle? In my last discussion with Detroit Diesel, the technicians advised that if the engine is performing fine, it’s often best to leave it alone. I’d suggest consulting with experts to verify whether it’s necessary before diving into this costly and labor-intensive process, especially considering the risk of getting greasy marks in your coach.

      2. If it’s determined that it’s worthwhile to proceed, I recommend letting Liberty handle it. Given that any work on the head of the Series 60 requires access from inside and involves the removal of the interior engine cover, having Liberty oversee the job would ensure that it’s done correctly and that your coach stays clean.

      Let me know what you decide!

      #8744
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      Jon,

      Am I mistaken in assuming he has an 8V? I agree with you—if it’s running well, it might be best to leave it alone.

      Too many so-called technicians jump to conclusions and think it’s necessary to perform service just because they’ve heard that about the 8V series. It’s crucial to assess the actual performance before deciding to dive into any extensive work.

      #8745
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      All:
      Sorry. I should have been specific. It is a series 60.

      #8746
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      I’m out! I don’t know much about the 60 series, except that they’re definitely not John Deere green!

      #8747
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      I went 550,000 miles on a straight-six, 4-stroke diesel before replacing the injectors and checking the valve adjustment. The only noticeable difference after all that was I lost 50 RPM!

      #8748
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      Dale, the Series 60 is really packed into the chassis. Unlike the 8V, it’s both taller and longer, so it’s tightly fitted under the floor, and if you need to take off the valve cover for any reason, you have to access it from inside the coach, meaning the rear interior has to come apart.

      You’re absolutely right about the 8V—work on it can be done without needing to open up the floor in the bedroom.

      It’s an easy mix-up, especially considering Jim has a 40-foot coach, which was part of a transition year where both engines were still being used. I believe the changeover to the Series 60 happened earlier for the 45-foot coaches.

      #8749
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      If it runs well, starts up quickly, and doesn’t smoke, there’s no need to touch it. As someone who works on Detroit Diesels for a living, I can confidently say, “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” Save yourself the hassle and potential headaches unless there’s a clear sign of a problem.

      #8750
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      Jim,

      This collective and totally free advice just covered the cost of your POG membership! Plus, it saved your carpets from any greasy fingerprints. I think we deserve a little gratitude for keeping things tidy and hassle-free, right, everyone?

      #8751
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      Joe, Toy Box,
      It runs well, starts quickly, and produces no smoke.
      Jon, everyone:
      Embracing my naturally lazy side, I’m more than happy to buy all of you six rounds of your favorite drink as a token of my appreciation for all the trouble you saved me!

      And of course, I’ll even include Dale, who, despite his claims of ignorance, still managed to duck out!

      #8752
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      Stay with us, Jim! We’re honing our approach to providing answers. If I didn’t know the answer before, I’d just make something up. Now, if I’m unsure, I still whip up an answer—but it’s one that you’ll want to hear!

      #8753
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      Just for your reference, here’s some information shared by some helpful folks from another forum:

      **Coloradobus**
      **Member #153**
      Posted September 06, 2007

      Jim,

      On our first bus, a 1999 shell called 2001 Country Coach with two HWH slides, we pulled out the dresser drawers and found some screws holding an insert that the drawers slid into. Once we removed that insert, we accessed the floor panel beneath it to get to the valve cover. You might also need to pull up some carpet. We had to take the mattress off the bed for more elbow room, but you may have an easier time since you don’t have a slide.

      **steamguy56**
      **Junior Member #1880**
      Posted September 08, 2007

      Jim,

      I was in this area this morning. The hatch is 40″ from the left and 37″ from the right, revealing a 21″ wide by 30″ long hatch. When opened, it exposed about three-quarters of the valve cover in plan view. This is on my 1997 Le Mirage 45. I decided to build the bed lengthwise. Hope this helps, Danny.

      Feel free to use this info as you plan your next steps!

      #8754
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      Jim,

      We have a rear kitchen and bath setup in our coach, which makes access pretty straightforward. It only takes about 10 minutes to get to the engine.

      Here’s how it’s configured:

      The kitchen sink is located at the back of the bus. There’s an L-shaped hatch that extends up the back about 6 inches. To access it, you just need to remove three screws on the floor and three more on the back.

      Additionally, the wall between the kitchen and bath is designed with tongue and groove for easy hatch removal.

      Hope this helps!

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