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    • #28168
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      If one wants to do it correctly, to what torque should one set the lugs?

      Hopefully, pics of new hub covers to follow soon.

       

        Karl and Natalie
      #28171
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Karl, 450-500 ft.lbs.

      Corey & George
      1999 H3-45 Vantare
      Cedar Hammock, FL.
      Will & Grace – fierce felines
      The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

      #28172
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Get a Torque Stick and put it in your tool box – for use at home or on the road. I use the 1″ drive yellow one rated at 475 ft lbs.

       

      Orren & Karen 2000 Liberty #442

      #28173
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      dang. Mine only goes to 150. Do they even make a half inch drive that does 500 ft lbs?  I can’t find anything over 250.

      Karl and Natalie

      #28174
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      I doubt it. If you are planning on doing work on the coach, at the very least plan on a good basic set of tools, including some impact wrenches and a big compressor with a large tank.

      One thing I can assure you of, and that is if you start doing most or all of your own work, you will pay for the tools in less than a year and the knowledge and satisfaction will be immeasurable.

      Jon and Di 2006 Liberty Elegant Lady, 2021
      Jeep Grand Cherokee, 1950 Ford
      Knoxville, TN

      Owner of three Liberty Coaches since 1990

      #28175
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      I found a 3/4 drive that does 600 ft lbs and costs $500 and a torque multiplier for $200.  And I don’t recall anyone ever using it when I had work done.  Do they?  Jon, did we use one when we took off my wheels?

      Karl and Natalie

      #28176
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Also, I have a friend with a shop who said they would put the 3/4 impact driver on it.  I have a 1/2 impact driver that I just bought.  Is that good enough?

      Karl and Natalie

      #28177
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      When we pulled your wheels we used a 1″ impact wrench, and used an X12 to check torque

      Actually an X12 or equivalent is not a bad way to go, except it is far less efficient in terms of time compared to an impact wrench. They are overpriced when new so I would lurk on ebay until one showed up cheap. You can get a 1″ impact wrench suitable for our type use for under $300, 3/4 impacts even less, but they need a lot of air, hence the recommendation on the compressor. For a 1″ impact you need a 1/2 in air line which is excessive for most other uses.

      I used an X12 for 10 years in lieu of an impact wrench. Heavy, a little cumbersome, but definitely does the job.

      Jon and Di 2006 Liberty Elegant Lady, 2021
      Jeep Grand Cherokee, 1950 Ford
      Knoxville, TN

      Owner of three Liberty Coaches since 1990

      #28178
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Ok, so I can have my friend put the impact driver on it, but I won’t be able to check the torque.

      No X12’s on eBay, $700 new.  I just ordered a knock-off on Amazon for $80.  58 turns to 1 or something like that.

      So, now I need to understand the other tools I need and the procedure.  It comes with two sockets, one of which is the 33 mm I need, and a 1″ driver.  How do I measure the torque then?  Can I somehow use my 1/2 torque wrench?

      Thanks, all.

      Karl and Natalie

      #28179
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Karl, If you’re having your tires installed at a truck tire place, their impacts are set for the proper torque spec.you should have them re-checked 100-300 miles later. You cannot do this stuff with 1/2 or even 3/4 stuff, it takes 1″ drive tools.

      Corey & George
      1999 H3-45 Vantare
      Cedar Hammock, FL.
      Will & Grace – fierce felines
      The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

      #28180
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Bonz,

      I have an old Ingersoll 3/4 driven with 1/2″ hose and it will put them on tight big time. Jeff has one just about like it and they’ll do the job, but 1″ is better with lots of air and a torque stick.

      My question is why do you want to even full with this stuff? I do some at home by necessity, but this is brutal work and better done at a truck tire place or by a service truck.

       

      Besides, you break your hand messing with this heavy stuff and Nat will be some pissed when you can’t do the cooking!:)

      Tom & Nancy
      7 Prevosts Owned

      #28181
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Don’t really WANT to, but need to put on new brackets to install the new hub caps.

      The friend with the equipment is an auto mechanic, so it won’t be set to torque at all.  I’ll google truck tire service trucks and see what comes up.

      Karl and Natalie

      #28182
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      A torque multiplier used with a 1/2″ torque wrench is the ideal way to check torque on the wheel nuts.

      The X12 as an example is a 12 to one ratio so if you use a torque wrench on the input side to tighten the nuts and you are looking for 450 to 500 foot pounds, set the torque wrench for 40 ft/lbs and you end up with 480 foot pounds at the nut. But there are some losses through the torque multiplier so it is likely the actual torque on the nuts is something less than the theoretical 480. When I bought my X12 (it was $300 back then) the salesman told me to add about 5 foot pounds to the torque wrench to compensate for the losses through the gear reduction. or to keep it simple he said use 1/10th of the torque required.

      I have no way to check actual torque with the X12 other than what the input force is, so I have always divided by 12 and added 5 foot pounds. No wheels have fallen off, and no cracks in my wheels so it has been close. I now use my 1″ impact set at the lowest possible setting and when I have checked using the X12 the nuts are sufficiently tight meaning they are all tighter than my target setting, but I have no way to determine how much tighter. An impact wrench has zero repeatability because different input air pressure varies the torque so I usuallly bottom out the nut and give it a short burst to tighten it a little further.

      Over the years only once have I ever seen anyone check torque on a wheel lug nut and that was more than 20 years ago when Prevost was in the old Wilson Avenue shop. Two guys used a 4 foot torque wrench to tighten the nuts properly.

      Jon and Di 2006 Liberty Elegant Lady, 2021
      Jeep Grand Cherokee, 1950 Ford
      Knoxville, TN

      Owner of three Liberty Coaches since 1990

      #28183
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      OK, got it now.. I’m not a fan of brackets being mounted under the lug nuts or the oil hub cover. I just received all new baby moons, top hats and stainless nut covers from Real Wheel that mount without disturbing the lug nuts or hub cover.

      Tom & Nancy
      7 Prevosts Owned

      #28184
      Mubashir Hayat
      Keymaster

      Tom is echoing what Prevost has said for years. Never ever place anything between the lug nuts and wheels.

      Jon and Di 2006 Liberty Elegant Lady, 2021
      Jeep Grand Cherokee, 1950 Ford
      Knoxville, TN

      Owner of three Liberty Coaches since 1990

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