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    • #14118
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      Has anyone used Charlie Ball in Berryville, VA, to recalibrate the ECM and transmission?

      I’m curious about how much horsepower can be safely increased and whether it can lead to improved MPG. I’ve been recording my fuel consumption for the past 100,000 miles, and it varies between 4.8 to 8.1 MPG, depending on the terrain.

      Currently, the engine is set at 500 HP.

      2001 XLII Single Slide
      Total Weight: 53,800 lb (including water, fuel, and all items, such as my wife’s shoes while we travel; this weight does not include the 3,200 lb tow)

      Larry Nelson
      Hurricane, UT

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      Got a good laugh out of your wife’s shoes. Brings back memories of my childhood, when my dad took us camping my mother was always collecting ROCKS to bring home. As an adult it reminiscent of the old movie (The Long Long Trailer with Lucille Ball).

      Chuck

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      The mileage numbers you provided are misleading. While they represent a range, many factors influence fuel consumption, making the only valid mileage calculations based on a substantial number of miles.

      Factors that can skew mileage calculations include speeds driven, headwinds, hills, weight, the levelness of the fuel island, when the pump shuts off, idling time, generator usage, fuel composition, outside temperature, and elevation.

      That said, if you calculate the total fuel used over a distance of at least 5,000 miles and do this consistently every 5,000 miles, the true mileage will not vary by more than a tenth of a mile from segment to segment. I have a logbook documenting about 500,000 miles of coach driving over 34 years. My 1997 12.7L engine initially averaged 8.0 MPG, but after the introduction of low-sulfur fuel and other changes, it dropped to 7.5. My driving habits are consistent; I drive at 62 MPH (1,500 RPM) and only deviate from that speed when I’m not on the interstate. I also tackle hills aggressively.

      My 14.0L engine started at 5.9 MPG, but after the EGR function stopped working, it has consistently achieved 6.4 to 6.5 MPG at the same speeds.

      Mileage is unaffected by available horsepower but is significantly impacted by horsepower used. For example, pushing against wind at 50 MPH requires less fuel than at 70 MPH, even if your steady speed on flat ground remains the same. Using more horsepower to climb hills faster will also consume more fuel.

      Before making any changes, gather accurate data by calculating mileage over a considerable distance and recording your hill-climbing speeds during elevation changes. This way, you will have a solid basis for comparison to measure any true changes if you modify your coach.

      #14123
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      Jon,

      Thank you for your insight on fuel mileage.

      I’ve gone back through the past 15,000 miles, and my average is 6.5 MPG. We primarily travel in the western U.S., with the only relatively flat ground being I-80 in Wyoming and northern Nevada across Highway 50. Like you, I tend to run at 1,500 to 1,600 RPM.

      We do a lot of boondocking while traveling, utilizing rest areas, parking lots, and wherever else we can, so the generator runs when it’s warm, and the Aqua-Hot operates when it’s cool.

      When fueling, I lower the passenger side of the coach to ensure the fuel levels are equal.

      I hope to hear some additional comments.

      Larry and Miriam Nelson
      2002 XLII Vision Single Slide
      Hurricane, Utah

      #14124
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      Jon:

      Some years ago you started a test on a fuel system add on. Do you have any results from that?

      Chuck

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      I’ve conducted two fuel system tests. The first was on an additive sold by Parliament Coach, which claimed a 15% improvement in fuel economy, as well as the removal of algae and water from the fuel tank. My fuel was polished before the test, so there was no evidence of moisture or algae, making that part of the test unnecessary. I added the prescribed amount of additive with each refueling, and after about 10,000 miles, my MPG had not changed. As a result, the company dropped its mileage improvement claims.

      The second test involved a fuel system device designed to remove entrained air from the fuel, with similar claims of increased mileage and power. With Tom acting as the timer, we conducted a series of 0 to 60 acceleration runs, both with and without the device. We observed a very modest increase in power, reflected in reduced acceleration times, but the improvement was only in fractions of a second.

      I also spent nearly a year evaluating mileage with and without the device, and there was no measurable change.

      However, the system remains in place on my coach because, in the event I accidentally run out of fuel, the device has a pump that can draw fuel from the tank, pass it through the air separator, and return it to the tank. Essentially, this gives me a way to prime the engine just by turning on the key.

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